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Ep 73: Candidate Interviews for 2020 AANA Election

On this special episode of Beyond the Mask, we sat down with many of the candidates running for a position on the 2020-21 AANA Board of Directors. Hear more about their qualifications, their goals, and their vision for the future of CRNAs.


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Today's show schedule: 

1:01 - Message from Jeremy Stanley about this episode.



2:04 - Heather Rankin, DNP, MBA, CRNA - Alabama

9:23 - Maribeth Massie, PhD, MS, CRNA - New York


Vice President

12:57 - Angela Mund, DNP, CRNA - South Carolina

17:56 - Debra Diaz, DNP, CRNA, APRN, CDR - Florida



23:02 - Sonya Moore, DNP, CRNA, CCRN - Ohio


Director - Region 2

26:17 - Janet Setnor, MSN, CRNA - Virginia


Director - Region 3

28:52 - LTC Peter Strube, DNAP, CRNA, MSNA, AP - Wisconsin


Director - Region 6

32:06 - Jeffrey Molter, MBA, MSN, CRNA - Ohio


Director - Region 7

33:56 - Erik Rauch, DNP, CRNA, NSPM-C - Florida

37:06 - Dru Riddle, PhD, DNP, CRNA, FAAN - Texas

Ep 72: CRNAs Balancing Fitness and a Busy Life with Jamie B and Jamie C

Jamie Bailey, CRNA and Jamie Chamberlain, CRNA are the motivated women running a popular social media fitness account that promotes the balance between working and working out. They joined us on the podcast to share their story, tips for beginners, and how they stay motivated even when they aren’t. 


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Today's show schedule: 

2:00 – We’re excited for this conversation.   

2:22 – Welcome in our guests today.

2:55 – Give us some background on yourself and how long you’ve been doing this.   

4:29 – How they started working out together.

5:35 – The early morning workout schedule. 

6:07 – What time do you go to bed?

6:57 – What’s the key to getting started down this fitness path?

8:18 – Working out in the morning changes your entire mood for the day.

9:14 – What’s the key to staying motivated?

10:27 – Do you hold yourself accountable?

11:18 – Strong Instagram following

13:57 – What eating routine do you have?

18:14 – It’s important to make it fun.

19:07 – What fitness person motivates them?

21:28 – What’s the Sweat App?

22:53 – Do other CRNAs connect with you?

24:13 – What’s the best way to get started if you haven’t worked out in years?

26:09 – Sharon shares a story about a friend who went from smoking to breaking a running record.

27:42 – A final message from the Jamies. 

Ep 71: Courage to Lead: Former AANA President Jackie Rowles, MBA, CRNA, ANP-BC, FAAN

Our presidential leadership series rolls along with a visit from Jackie Rowles, MBA, CRNA, ANP-BC, FAAN, who served as AANA President in 2009-10. She brought a background in pain management to the position and led the organization through a transitional period for the board. Not only has she made a significant impact on the profession, but she continues to be a leader at the International level. 


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Today's rundown: 

2:47 – Welcome in our guest Jackie Rowles, who gives us a quick overview of her career. 

3:42 – Jackie’s dad was an amazing person and took such an interest in nurse anesthesia.

7:08 – How she had been recruited into a pain management practice before becoming president. 

9:12 – In October of 2008, they had their first AANA sponsored pain management education and the timing worked out for her.

10:14 – Pain management has come full circle and has been legitimized and appreciated today. But it took 15 years.

11:11 – The VA Pain Act was signed. 

12:49 – What were some of the internal issues she dealt with during her presidency?

15:34 – Why it was different working with John Garde.

17:04 – John Garde made the change of Executive Director smooth but he got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

21:08 – After John’s funeral, Jackie became interim Executive Director during the final weeks of her presidency. 

22:33 – Sharon shares her memory of Jackie during that time and the story about a cruise they were taking together.  

25:15 – A couple more highlights that Jackie wants to document. 

31:13 – The most valuable leadership lessons she learned. 

36:05 – What message would you give new CRNAs?

37:25 – If she could pick any other profession, what would it be?

39:07 – Jackie’s final message to everyone.


Special Announcement: CE Credit Expanding!

Over the past year, we’ve published a handful of shows that have given listeners a chance to earn continuing education credits through the AANA. Today we’re beyond excited to reveal that this opportunity is expanding, and we have all the details on this special episode.


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Today's show rundown:  

1:08 – Listeners gave us this wonderful idea.

1:32 – Time for the big announcement!

2:11 – How the credits breakdown.

2:25 – Class A vs Class B

4:01 – This is one of the most exciting things we’ve been able to announce lately.  

4:48 – Class A credits require an evaluation piece.  

Ep 70: The Story of CRNAs & an Antitrust Victory with Tafford & Lori Oltz - Part 2

This is the conclusion to the story about Tafford Oltz, CRNA, and his antitrust victory in the late-80s, which came to our attention during a previous podcast. Find out the details to the depositions, how a few of the anesthesiologists were caught lying, and how a couple became expert witnesses. Plus, we’ll find out how it all ended and how much time and money went into the case.


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Today's show rundown: 

2:04 – Pre-trial settlements and the summary judgement

3:08 – Taff and Lori had a lot going on at this time.

4:19 – After the first depositions, Taff got a surprise call.

6:03 – Demands came to fire them.

7:22 – The remaining three anesthesiologists were each deposed but conspired to not tell the whole truth.

8:11 – In the meantime, St. Peter’s Chief of Staff received a subpoena with instructions. 

9:15 – Taff tells the story of the last two anesthesiologists and how depositions went down.

10:20 – First settlement was offered but rejected by the Oltzs.

10:41 – Let’s shift to post-trial rulings.

14:42 – How long did it take to close this case and the costs associated?

16:02 – The court ordered a settlement conference and required all 24 hospital board members to attend.

16:45 – Taff details settlement money.

18:30 – Final thoughts on this experience from Taff.   

21:15 – How CRNAs can use this case.

23:29 – Final thought from Lori on MDAs and CRNAs

Ep 69: The Story of CRNAs & an Antitrust Victory with Tafford & Lori Oltz - Part 1

This is the story about Tafford Oltz, CRNA, and his antitrust victory in the late-80s, which came to our attention during a previous podcast. When we heard it, we had to talk with Taff and his wife Lori - also a CRNA - to hear how it all happened. It’s a fascinating story that hinges on a manilla folder and you’ll hear all the details that led up to the trial in part one.


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Today's rundown: 

2:30 – We think this is going to be one of the most interesting podcast we’ve done.

3:50 – Background on the Oltz vs St. Peter’s Community Hospital case.

3:47 – Tafford Oltz and his wife Lori tell us about their background.

4:54 – The couple just celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary.

5:15 – How their employment was structured in the 70s and how the relationship with St. Peter’s began.

9:23 – Taff shares one specific patient story he still remembers.

9:56 – The medical landscape in Montana in the mid-70s.

10:31 – When the third MD arrived, he informed the vascular surgeon the use of a CRNA was medical malpractice.

11:46 – Here’s how a typical day looked for Taff with a 100-mile commute.

13:05 – What changed with his situation?

14:45 – The story turns because of a folder. Taff explains.

17:40 – Lori shares details of what was actually written in some of the letters.

19:38 – How was that working relationship after finding out about their plans?

21:52 – How the lawsuit began.

22:45 – What anti-trust litigation is and the three things you need for a case.

27:07 - Many courts aren’t familiar with anti-trust cases. There had only been one prior in Montana.

28:41 - Once they started investigating, they found St. Peter’s market power near 84%. 

30:31 - The hospital produced a letter that the anesthesiologists were increasing charges by 10%.

32:58 - How do you choose legal representation for a case like this and what were the costs?

37:15 - How important were other cases at the time?

44:17 - The role Lori played during the trial.

46:07 - To be continued…

Ep 68: CARES Act - What CRNAs Need to Know About Coronavirus Aid

As we continue to devote our attention to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, let’s move our focus to the aid options for CRNAs. On this episode, we’ll break down the Coronavirus Aid Relief and Economic Security (CARES) Act and explain the ways in which you might be able to get some financial relief during these difficult times.


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Today's rundown: 

1:41 – Here’s the topic for this episode.

2:53 – Will CRNAs be able to benefit from the cash payments the stimulus will provide?

4:18 – What options do people have for withdrawing money from retirement accounts?

6:33 – You need to have coronavirus-related reasons for taking advantage of this option.

7:28 – If you’re diagnosed with coronavirus, does it qualify for workers’ comp?

8:16 – Are you still required to take your RMDs this year?

9:38 – What unemployment benefits are available?

12:12 – The loan options available to small business owners.

15:43 – Paycheck protection program could be very beneficial for CRNAs 

22:05 – The government is acting quickly and might be rolling more out.

23:14 – Employee retention credit

25:02 - The AANA is also providing relief

27:32 - Let’s all do little things to help each other

Ep 67: Mission for Masks - A Millennial Influencer Making a Difference During COVID-19 Outbreak

When we finally make it through the worst of the COVID-19 outbreak, there will be stories from across the country about heroes on the front lines that saved lives and prevented disasters. Nurses everywhere are battling the virus, and one millenial SRNA is giving them a voice now through an anonymous platform.


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Today's rundown: 

2:56 – Welcome in our guest Sonja Schwartzbach, BSN, RN, CCRN

3:45 – Sonja explains what her book is all about.  

5:02 – Sharon found out about Sonja just recently and the impact she’s been making.  

6:16 – How she started her Instagram account and found a way to use it to build the nursing community.

8:38 – She’s been doing a lot of work involving COVID-19 right in a hard hit area and describes where the biggest needs are.

9:48 – She started the Mission for Masks Google Form template to anonymously collect stories and got a lot of feedback immediately.

11:29 – These strains are happening across the country, not just in CA, NY, and WA.

12:59 – This is giving nurses a platform to speak out and share info from the frontlines.

15:10 – The history of retaliation in the nursing profession.

18:16 – What else has happened since the article came out in the The New York Times?

19:44 – Sonja shares some of the stories she’s hearing around the country right now.

21:33 – ‘There’s a sense of such helplessness.’

23:45 – Hopefully we come out of this and are much more prepared for an outbreak like this.

27:28 – Wrapping up the conversation with a final message from Sonja.   

Bonus Episode: Global Update on Nurse Anesthesia and COVID-19

When we talk about COVID-19, our attention goes immediately to our own cities and states, but the US is one of more than 150 countries dealing with the pandemic right now. To get an update on how CRNAs around the globe are being impacted, we talk with IFNA President Jackie Rowles, MBA, CRNA, ANP-BC, FAAN.


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Today's rundown: 

1:42– Jackie Rowles updates us on some of the headlines globally, which countries are being impacted, and how students are being called to help.

7:06– Jackie details her visit to Brussels before returning back to the US.

8:27– How is everyone holding up around the world?

11:32– We’re all going to deal with a learning curve through this ordeal but we also have to do an in-depth analysis after to become more prepared.

12:40 – Do countries have the personal protective equipment that they need?

13:49– Why was the US so underprepared?

20:28– The bottomline is there’s just so much uncertainty with this and it’s impacting employment.

23:16– Teamwork rises above the politics and we’re all having to come together.

25:26– There’s a demand for healthcare and the elective procedures will come back strong.

28:04– We need to take more precautions when we’re traveling.

32:07 – Jackie’s final message about being blessed to serve the IFNA on behalf of our country.

Bonus Episode: COVID-19 Has Impacted My Income - What are My Options?

No one could have predicted the outbreak we’ve seen from COVID-19, and it’s served as a wake up call for many people. We’ve all been impacted financially or emotionally or both, and now we’re getting a lot of questions about how we can manage finances when income is up in the air. On this bonus episode, we’ll look at the options you have during this uncertain time.  


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Today's rundown:

1:32 – Everyone is being impacted financially and emotionally right now.

4:08 – Things can change in an instant, like employment status, so you need to have an emergency fund.

7:19 – Roles and responsibilities for CRNAs are even changing during this pandemic.

10:09 – A lot of CRNAs are worried right now about income.  

14:30 – Can I file for unemployment?

16:47 – What if you work for a company/hospital and get reduced hours?

18:09 – Options for hospital-employed CRNAs

22:03 – How is the unemployment amount calculated?

24:27 – Hopefully we all learn a lot from this experience once it passes.  

26:32 – Basic financial steps you need to be taking everyday.

30:32 – Don’t forget that tax deadlines have been pushed back.

32:50 – Jeremy’s final message for everyone.

Ep 66: Nursing & Public Policy: Why Nurses Need to Be Involved with Lt. Governor of Delaware

Nursing continues to grow its presence in politics and no one represents those achievements better than Bethany Hall-Long. The Lt. Governor of Delaware became the first nurse in the country to hold that esteemed position and she joins the show today to talk about the importance of being involved and having a voice in policy-making.


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Today's rundown: 

1:44 – We’re excited to welcome Bethany Hall-Long on the show.

2:19 – Bethany gives us a little background on herself and career.  

4:15 – The Coronavirus shows why it’s so important to having the calming voices of nurses in the policy-making world.

5:30 – Sharon begins the conversation with a story about connecting with Bethany.

6:44 – Where did Bethany’s interest in a political career come from?

9:32 – Take us back to your first election and what lessons you learned from that?

14:09 – Why should nurses be involved in policy?

16:11 – What are some of the risks when nurses aren’t at the table?

19:02 – If no one is speaking for nurses, who will?

20:04 – We’re seeing examples of this with COVID-19.  

21:44 – Nurses seem to have the makeup to be strong leaders. Why don’t they run very often?

25:31 – Bethany will be joining the candidate school for nurses at Yale.

29:08 – If you could choose another profession, what would it be?

32:19 – Bethany leaves us with one final message.

Ep 65: The Road to State Presidency with Sharon Pearce, Jackie Rowles, Tracy Castleman & Carole Doyscher

Have you ever aspired to be the association president in your state but aren’t completely sure how to get there? We brought together four former state presidents for a roundtable discussion on the path to reach that position. We’ll talk about the traits you need, the importance of getting involved, and what everyone gained from the experience.  


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Today's show rundown: 

2:25 – A Facebook message sparked the idea for this episode.

2:58 – Former presidents Jackie Rowles, Tracy Castleman & Carole Doyscher join us today.

4:03 – What’s the first step on that path to presidency?

5:48 – Carole feels finding a mentor is very important.  

6:36 – Tracy was a big part of the AANA’s mentorship program getting started.

8:19 – Jackie shares her perspective on what it takes to rise up.

9:51 – If a young CRNA wants to get involved, what should that first step be?

11:41 – The women discus character traits they’ve seen from leaders.

15:48 – You have to be able to identify someone that can come up behind you and be your replacement.  

17:04 – There’s a sacrifice to be made when you take a leadership position.  

19:22 – What resources do we have at the AANA level?

23:06 – How do you prepare for issues?

25:04 – Carole shares her point of view working in a small state like South Dakota.

27:44 – Teamwork is important and finding a great lobbyist is crucial

28:45 – As a president in a state, what exactly do you do?  

30:56 – Remember that you are a representative the entire profession.

32:04 – Summarizing what everyone feels about the role of the president.

33:37 – What did each woman get out of taking the president role in their state?

Ep 64: Courage to Lead – Former AANA President Nancy Bruton-Maree, CRNA

We continue our ‘Courage to Lead’ series by bringing Nancy Bruton-Maree, CRNA, MS, into the studio to look back on her time as AANA President. Join us as we discuss the accomplishments, the lessons learned, and what message she wants to get across to the next generation of CRNAs.


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Today's show rundown: 

2:12 – Nancy Bruton-Maree joins us in studio today.

2:28 – Summarize some of the things that happened during your AANA presidency.

4:26 – The office based guidelines began during her time on the board. She explains how it came to be.

6:50 – Mentoring program for doctorate-level students was a new concept 25 years ago.

9:56 – This progression of education has taken place over a short period of time. Why is that?  

11:34 – Nancy remembers the new program director’s orientation workshop that was in place.

13:31 – The AANA was an early adopter of the dedication of the Women in Military Service Memorial.

14:47 – Were there a lot more women than men in the 80s and 90s?

16:00 – The first CRNA boat cruise was held during her year.

16:45 – HCFA and the deferral to states on supervision of CRNA Medicare cases.

21:30 – Nancy talks about the strong board that she had.

23:45 – Board meetings were very organized and efficient.

25:16 – Here are some of the lessons Nancy learned as president.

28:16 – What would you tell the new generation of CRNAs about the profession?

31:42 – If she couldn’t be a CRNA, Nancy would be a veterinarian.

Ep 63: Student Perspectives of Anesthesia School with Dr. Kristie Hoch, CRNA

Choosing to become a CRNA requires a lot of hard work or dedication but the time has never been better to enter this profession. We wanted to get a better sense of the challenges and opportunities for anesthesia school students in 2020 and Dr. Kristie Hoch, DNP, CRNA, MS, RRT, from the University of Arizona’s College of Nursing will help us gain that perspective.


About the guest: Dr. Kristie Hoch, DNP, CRNA, MS, RRT is the Program Administrator for the University of Arizona's DNP-Nurse Anesthesia program. She chose to become a CRNA after serving with them in Desert Storm.  Kristie has years of experience as a CRNA in every practice model and setting, to include office based, critical access, academic teaching hospital and trauma centers


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Today's show rundown: 

2:08 – Welcome in our guest Dr. Kristie Hoch, DNP, CRNA, MS, RRT 

2:33 – Today we’re focusing on students and their perspectives as they learn in anesthesia school.

3:57 – This is an important topic because these students are our future and we need to provide all the tools they need.

4:29 – What are the advantages of being a nurse anesthesia student in 2020?

6:17 – Online classes today allow Kristie to provide students the lecture ahead of time and use class for discussion.

7:24 – Anesthesia class is such a challenge so we want to make sure each student has a support system.

7:50 – Students are able to find mentorships through social media and other online sites.

9:00 – How has the demand for CRNAs affected Kristie’s work?

10:22 – How is the DNP changing opportunities for students and CRNAs?

12:20 – Dr. Hoch shares an ‘aha moment’

13:25 – The prospects for these graduating students is very bright in 2020.  

14:42 – One of the big challenges still is how costly the education process has become.

16:48 – Financial education needs to be a conversation for students throughout the process.

19:12 – We tell students to live like they did on a nurse salary for a few years to pay off debt and gain control of finances.

21:24 – Another thing students are completely unaware of is that they move up a tax bracket.

21:49 – A popular conversation we have with students is W-2 vs 1099 work.

22:38 – What are some of the other challenges are students are facing right now?

26:29 – Social media has its advantages, but it can also be very disruptive to students and their careers.  

30:25 – There’s so much negativity on social media with people tearing each other down. Why is that?

31:48 – How Dr. Hoch got into education. She shares the story of saying no to the job and why her mind changed.

33:50 – Dr. Hoch explains the unique way that she picks her travel.            

35:09 – Her last trip was to Santa Fe.

35:46 – Dr. Hoch’s final message to students about how challenging school is but how rewarding it will ultimate be.

Ep 62: Hey Smart Mamas - Balancing Motherhood with a CRNA Career

The three women behind the Scrub Caps & Sippy Cups podcast joins us to talk about the personal side of the profession. Being a mother is such a difficult job on its own but then you add in a CRNA career and it can be a struggle at times. You’re not alone! Let’s speak candidly about the challenges and how we can lean on each other for support.


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Today's rundown: 

1:33 – Jeremy and Sharon use Facebook Live today. 

1:55 – Sharon is excited about this topic. She’s been talking about this for months.

2:38 – Welcome CRNAs Crystal, Ellen, and Laci from the Scrub Caps & Sippy Cups podcast.

2:49 – Laci shares her background as a CRNA.   

3:50 – Ellen tells us about growing up in the Ukraine, her career, and family. 

4:54 – Crystal shares her background.  

7:28 – Why is this subject so important and what made you start this podcast? 

8:23 – Social media has allowed moms from all over the country to connect with each and support one another. 

9:52 – All three ladies live in different states and time zones. Have they been able to meet face to face yet?

12:56 – What was your biggest misconception about parenting? 

13:52 – What was Crystal most unprepared for when becoming a parent?

14:33 – The difficulty of breastfeeding explained to Jeremy. 

16:52 – Jeremy stirs it up with another question about breastfeeding.  

18:34 – There’s so much external guilt placed upon moms to breastfeed. 

20:13 – Mom-judging goes both ways, too. 

21:26 – Let’s talk about the difficulty of making a marriage work on top of everything else. 

24:38 – Crystal talks about the issues and challenges of marriage with kids and a career.

25:20 – The subject of love language comes up and some of us share ours. 

27:19 – The discussion of laundry and husbands takes over. 

29:40 – What do you make time for to take care of yourself?

33:06 – It’s important to maintain your own identity. 

35:28 – Here’s where you can find the ladies and connect with them. 

36:10 – Final thoughts from the ladies. 


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